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Topic: Blueis print vs good print (Aliens, Super 8mm Derann)
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted November 18, 2011 12:09 PM
Just not too long gap there were 2 auction for the same print, Aliens (Full Feature, Derann).
First auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2 00666973126&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en
It went for $355
Second auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-8MM-FULL-FEATURE-ALIENS-STEREO-SOUND-/250929510170
It went $500 !!
Now look at the comparison between the $355 vs $500.
The first one has natural color (eg color skin), good saturation, and sharp.
While the second print is so much blueish (human skin is pale), and soft focus...yet it was sold for 40% higher!!.
If the winner of the second print knew about the first print, he would be really disappointed. To be honest, i can't myself sitting 2 hours to watch that sort of blueish quality. What about you?
BTW, How many Derann titles you know that have so many obvious diversity on print quality?
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Winbert
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Gerald Santana
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1060
From: Cottage Grove OR
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted November 18, 2011 12:33 PM
Hey Winbert,
The price is significant however, have you considered white balancing on the cameras before the picture is taken? The setting on digital camera's may need adjustment if using a halogen lamp. It could make a big difference to set the camera just right, however you need to play around with the settings.
Another thought that came to mind was the final bid on the first print was after 16 bids, obviously very sought after, while the $500 print only got one bid. This tells me that one of the bidders from the first auction did not want to let this one go by. If it were priced to high, and people did not bid, perhaps the seller will lower the starting bid thus, more people will jump at the chance to get it. But I've seen an item re-listed this way, only to go for more than the original starting price!
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http://lostandoutofprintfilms.blogspot.com/
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Adrian Winchester
Film God
Posts: 2941
From: Croydon, London, UK
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted November 18, 2011 05:54 PM
Irrespective of whether the pics of the $500 print are fully representative of the look of the actual copy, they look so offputting that the seller is extremely lucky to get the amount he wanted. I think that prints with that excessively bluish look are probably more common from around the late 1990s onwards, as the lab seemed to become more inconsistent. I got my 'Aliens' within about a year of it being released and I'd say the colour is a bit 'cool' but it's a great print. However, I recall seeing another one soon afterwards that was too 'warm' for my liking, so even around 1988 there could be big variations between batches.
With regard to Winbert's question: "How many Derann titles you know that have so many obvious diversity on print quality?", I think the question should be: "Do you know of Derann titles where there's evidence that there's very little diversity in quality?" I suspect that diversity tends to be the norm, apart from perhaps cases where the negative quickly become damaged and there were only one or two batches of prints. I know that Disney placed great emphasis on quality control, so it could be that the lab was leaned upon to achieve greater consistencey with these.
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Adrian Winchester
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