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Winbert Hutahaean
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Hi all,

Remember my previous post regarding "Waiting for my large order...!" , there I wrote about my latest find of 30+ cartoons.

I promised to share the screen shot and here we go.

But please understand that this is not a review since I haven't seen them but only screening them for a couple minutes to let me taking some screen shots.

Secondly, most of them are in white boxes (no artwork) so I don't know who released them.

Thirdly, most of them are printed without any film stock mark.

Lastly, screen shots were taken by a digital camera with auto setting was on. So some are seen better than others, and some are lighter/darker while they are actually the same print.

The reason I am putting them here just because I never heard them in many years of my collecting. Most of super 8mm cartoons I knew so far are those the usual Walt Disney, WB from Techno, Woody Woodpecker, Andy Panda, Chilly Willy, T&J from Walton/MGM, Inspector, Pink Panther and sort of.

If in any rate the following titles are also usual titles for your case, please forgive my ignorance.

Last but not least, some of titles are banned in the US due to the political incorrectness at today's standard. You can discuss about the 8mm related matters but please do not discuss the political side, as it is not our cup of tea in this forum.

I provide the youtube link of the same film below the screen shot, where you can compare the 8mm print quality AND to express your thought about the political side.

So let me start with this:

Inki and the Minah Bird (1943)

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Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djxnw090EeE

My observation, the super 8mm print is better than the youtube, isn't it?

[ January 26, 2012, 10:08 PM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]

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Akshay Nanjangud
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The colors are superb!

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Gerald Santana
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I would say that your film has excellent color Winbert!

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Anthony Buhay
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THE COLORS! hah! WOW!

so interestinggg

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Thanks guys for the compliments. I will try to post all my cartoons once a day (give me time for taking screen shots and edit/crop them)

To make this thread more interesting, I invite those cartoons experts to give a score on the rarity of each title.

So below is my rating system:

  • 5 = I never heard this title ever released on super 8mm. OMG is Extremely RARE!! [Eek!]
  • 4 = I knew this title was once released on super 8mm, but never seen in my life of collecting . Very Rare! [Cool]
  • 3 = I once had (or found my friend had this) but never seen this again at Ebay or film fair or if ever once or twice on Ebay in the last three years. Rare enough [Wink]
  • 2 = It is on Ebay or film fair once a while. Not rare [Big Grin]
  • 1 = Well, this is like "Cinderella" or "Escape from the Astragad" from WDHM. Very common! [Razz]
So Osi and others, can you rate for each title please.
cheers,

[ January 26, 2012, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]

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Martin Davey
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5

The print looks really good, clean and great colours. It is not noted as one of Chuck Jones best films, and not quite yet in the golden period of Warners output. A good addition for my collection, if I found a print!

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I have a copy,bought many years ago from those "mysterious american sourses"!!!

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Antoine Orsero
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me too

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Osi Osgood
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That's certainly a nice print of that title. It looks to be low fade stock. Good find!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Hi Osi, what will you give for the rarity rate?

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4

That looks great Winbert!

I would have to rate it a 4 for rarity, as I do remember seeing this title on lists in the 80's.

Looking forward to more.

More....More....MORE!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Thanks James for the rating.

quote:
Looking forward to more.

More....More....MORE!

OK here we go (guys please don't forget to give your rarity rate):

The Isle of Pingo Pongo (1938)

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Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QlrepwGBOY

It says:

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One of the "Censored 11" banned from T.V. syndication by United Artists in 1968 (then the owners of the Looney Tunes & Merrie Melodies film library) for alleged racism. Ted Turner continued the ban when he was hired and stated that these films will not be re-issued and will not be put on Home Video. These cartoons will probably never air on television again, and only non-Warner Bros. Licensed public domain video tapes will probably ever have these cartoons on them.
What is your rarity rate on super 8mm for this title?

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Osi Osgood
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Another great super 8 print! I think the very reason why a lot of these made it onto super 8 in the first place is because they were being dropped out of TV distribution and censored to hell, thereby also bringing up thier collectible value!

Keep it up, your doing great Winbert, (as well as making me quite envious!) [Smile]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Hi Osi, thanks. I will post another reel tomorrow. BTW, what would you give the rarity rate for "the Isle of Pingo Pongo"?

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I have a very nice copy of "ISLE OF PINGO PONGO"....looks like yours.

I would rate it a 3....I don't see this title at all but I have one.

Bill [Smile]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Bill, thanks for the rate.

The following is a kinda weird Donald Duck's film for today's Walt Disney standard. This is not a racism film, and this is not Cinderella nor the Slepping Bauty as well as the Jungle Book.

From the title itself, we knew that this is not usual. The title is "Donald Duck: Der Fuehrer's Face". It is an anti-Nazi propaganda film.

I have just knew this type of film but may be plenty during WWII released by parties involved in war.

This title was first released on 1 januari 1943, and received an Academy Award for best short animation on a specific subject in 1942-1943. The song that was used in the film became famous on its own and became a hit when Spike Jones played it.

I don't know how often this title shows up in 8mm format, but it does exist in 16mm. Today, I checked on Ebay there is the same title on 16mm offered for $149!!.

Here is the screen shots:

Donald Duck: Der Fuehrer's Face (1943)

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The print is on LPP but the colors are not that strong like the previous ones. I guess this is due to the lab problems (filter?/negative?). But the title cards are strong like usual Disney prints on LPP.

The you tube link to compare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpgSYbrw09g

it says:

quote:
Donald Duck starring in the funny classic cartoon Der Fuehrer's Face describing the comedic stance on nazi life through american propaganda
Synopsis:

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Directed by Jack Kinney. Donald Duck is awakened by a marching band (Comprised of Hirohito, Goering and Musolini) playing "Der Fuehrer's Face" as it passes by Donald Duck's house. Then, his Adolph Hitler alarm clock goes off. He awakes, has a poor breakfast with stale bread. Then he goes to an army factory where he works in the production of ammunition brainwashed by the Nazi propaganda. Donald Duck has a nervous breakdown with the stressed situation but when he awakes, he finds that he had a nightmare and he actually lives in United States of America.
What is your rarity rate for this title?

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Osi Osgood
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It's no doubt down to the source material. I have an LPP print of "A Tale of Two Kitties" (Warner Brothers, 1942, I believe), and while it's LPP, the source material was absolutely atrocious and so it looked faded from the get go ...

... and that is no doubt the situation with this print. It's definitely not an official WDHM release. However, at least, being LPP, the color will not get worse. Keep up the great work, though it's not mine, I'm quite proud of this great haul you made on these shorts!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Thanks Osi, but you still forgot to give a rate. As you are one of the cartoon expert here, I really wish you can share the opinion about the rarity by giving the rate.

Tommorow I will try to post another rare stuff.

Cheers,

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Osi Osgood
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"Isle of Pingo Pongo" rating of 4

"Der Fuerer's Face" rating of 4 and a half.

That's based on how often I have seen a print and "Der Fuerer" I've only seen one other. "Isle of Pingo Pongo" I have seen a little more often. That doesn't mean that there are only two of "Der Fuerer", it's just that whoevcer has them are holding onto them quite tightly.

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I sold a super 8 print of "The Fuehrer's Face" on ebay many years ago. I had bought it used from Perry's for £12 and when I decided to just specialise in collecting vintage horror features I moved a lot of titles on. I started the listing at £5 and it just took off, eventually selling to a German collector for £54. I felt so bad about it going that high that I included a print of "The Seven Wise Dwarfs" in the parcel so that I didn't feel like I was fiddling the chap. I've never had a good head for business. [Frown]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Hi Paul, thanks for sharing. I have also another unusual Disney in this lot i.e "Spirit of 43". I will take the screen shots if time permited.

Btw, did you remember if your "Fuehrer" print also had warming colours like above? Or was yours much better?

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It was about the same, I think they all look like this. Mine came with one or two thin black lines on the right side or the print which was another reason I moved it on. Catchy little song though, the audience always join in.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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The following title is not banned anywhere, so it's safe for kids. However, I never heard this title released before, "Willie the Operatic Whale" (aka "The Whale Who Wanted to Sing at the Met") originally released by Walt Disney in 1946. For super 8mm release this title is spooled in 400' reel (14 minutes +)

IMDB says:

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The Metropolitan Opera is looking for the sea monster reported in newspaper headlines, because this monster sings beautifully! The "monster" is actually Willie, a whale who can sing in several voices simultaneously. A friend of his, a gull called Whitey, tells him about the searching ship, and Willie goes to audition, as it's been his ambition to perform on stage. Unfortunately, Professor Tetti Tatti from the Opera believes that one or more singers have been swallowed by the whale, and need to be rescued.
Willie the Operatic Whale (1946)

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As you can see above, the print is absolutely gorgeous!. Colors are very strong in any aspects. Print is very pin sharp. You can see on the newspaper where we can still read all small letters.

Here is the original screen shot for the newspaper scenes, and you can say that this 8mm is in par with 16mm quality.

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Here is youtube link to compare the 8mm print and video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnjuQjACXI


You can see that 8mm prints beats video in terms of color and sharpness.

I have been searching on this forum is print has ever been mentioned. The result was only twice. Once where Ian O'Reilly put it on his list and the other one when one-post member was offering this title for $100.

I don't know how rare is this title but I heard this one was released by Derann (?). So perhaps this title is between rating 3 to 4 on rarity rating.

What do you think?

cheers,

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I believe that this one is more common and someone can correct me if I am wrong, but this one was a Derann release? (or CHC?)

Still, good to see.

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Beautiful stuff Winbert!

Pingo-Pongo was available from Derann during the past 20 years or so, and I believe was one of the films they purchased from Red Fox in the 80's (Red Fox prints might be faded). I had this a while back too.

Willie was available from Derann too, but maybe for ten years or so.

I have personally never seen a print of DER FUEHRER, so that one may be very rare.

I guess what it really boils down to Winbert, is how many print were actually made, which we may never know. One thing's for sure though- The longer you take care of those beautiful prints, the more rare they will be in the years to come!

My rarity rating-

Isle of Pingo-Pongo 3

Der Fuehrer's Face 5

Willie the Operatic Whale 3

Any way you look at it, its a great find!

James.

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