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posted September 04, 2015 08:20 AM
A selection of the best westerns available on Super 8
Stagecoach the John Ford classic available in a number of lengths from 400 to full feature. Print quality varies a great deal but the polyester prints Derann produced despite a blueish tint are the sharpest in terms of print.
True Grit 3x400 a satisfying mini feature plus there is an elusive full feature version of Duke's Oscar winning portrayal.
Last Train to Gunhill already much discussed on the forum already the feature print of this Anthony Mann western with Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn. Great story and cracking print although there are issues with some prints going pink.
Winchester 73 classic Jimmy Stewart western movie on events revolving around perfect Winchester 73 rifle. Nice feature prints available a little grainy but they do turn up on dealer lists occasionally.
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon the second of John Ford’s cavlary trilogy available as a 400 and 4x400 mini feature. Originally released by Mountain later prints were issued by Derann. Good colour on most prints and mini feature does give a
Shane The only western ever released by Derann in feature length. Print was superb and well loved western by fans.
Rooster Cogburn Released by Universal 8 in 400 and Full Feature length. Print quality is virtually identical with hint of pink on most copies. Feature print is masked as opposed to a academy size on 400 digest. Digest itself is well edited and follows story fluently.
High Noon available in full feature but any prints I have seen show negative wear but nice western if you are a Gary cooper fan.
Magnificent Seven 2x400 available in flat and scope versions. Issue with negative wear but great cutdown and very repeatable
High Plains Drifter 2x400 mini feature from Universal 8. Clint Eastwood western from 1970’s. Some prints have tended to go pink and even the good ones have a level of fade from the time they were bought new. Sharp print and concise digest that covers the story well.
Dodge City 3x400 mini feature or full feature. The mini feature is on par with Errol Flynn Robin Hood. The feature print initially Red Fox then Derann was washed out and not as sharp in terms of print. The mini feature wins hands in terms of quality and repeatability.
They Died with their Boots On available as a 2x400. The Custer story told by Warner Bros with Errol Flynn. A surprisingly good cutdown for such a long film. It tells the story well and contains most of the action scenes from the film. A later Derann release, which was sold as a 2x400 so that you didn’t have to edit together yourself. Very Good print and sound with less variations in quality.
Guns for San Sebastian spaghetti western filmed in Mexico with Anthony Quinn & Charles Bronson starring is available as a 400 and 3x400 MGM release. A rare example were a edited version improves a movie. The feature is rather pedestrian but the mini feature contains the best scenes in terms of action and a concise story. Print varies greatly both being soft and pink in a lot of cases. A good print is fairly sharp and has a fair amount of colour in it but still tends be very faded.
Northwest Passage classic MGM western starring Spencer Tracy A neat 400 digest not perfect but usually with good colour although admittedly a bit soft in print terms.
Gunfight at OK Corral 300 (roughly 14 minutes) on 400 reel the Derann extract of the gun fight sequence and the end of the movie. Classic John Sturges western with excellent print and sound as you would expect. I think this was a tester to see if there was demand for the full feature. Released after Shane but apart from myself I am not aware of too many prints being about.
My Darling Clementine 400ft digest from Ken/Fox. Another nice digest with cutsdown the feature story to a very repeatable 17/18 minutes. Print is very good and I can’t remember much if any commentary. I think this was also released as a feature by Classic/Germany later in the day.
Jesse James another 400ft digest from Ken/Fox. Superb digest with very good colour with covers the story well. Some minor commentary.
Bandolero 400 digest from Ken/Fox. A minor western from Andrew V Mclaglen stable with Jimmy Stewart Dean Martin and delectable Raquel Welch. An shorter version which enhances a feature which would be nearly called a b movie. Colour is good and it is very repeatable with great Jerry Goldsmith score present in a number of scenes.
Shenadoah 2 x200 digests from Universal 8 which is the fight sequence when the army come to conscribe the sons and the battle and return of the youngest son called “Boy” Neat Jimmy Stewart western with two unrelated sequences which somehow work. I picked up new black & white sound copies new at convention one time for less than £5. I think it was Derann. Hoped to find a colour version at some point but they never surfaced so either rare or collectors have held on to them. Print is very good but there is a slight variation in grading between reels.
[ September 04, 2015, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: Mike Newell ]
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posted September 04, 2015 08:50 AM
The Ivy Films release of HIGH NOON is terrific picture quality. It is full length on 5 x 400ft. As said I can see on my copy there are some white negative marks and splices in the neg but overall well worth having.
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posted September 04, 2015 09:37 AM
Hi Steven
The copies of High Noon I have seen have either done the rounds with a number of collectors owning them or been projected through unforgiving projectors.
posted September 04, 2015 02:15 PM
Good job mentioning that one, Tom, as I was about to mention it. One question though, was there an actual complete version of it, or the 80 or so minute version in scope that I happen to have.
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posted September 04, 2015 03:06 PM
I think there is a full feature version of My Name is Nobody released. Was it Marketing? Other titles I didn't mention would be Once upon a time in the West 3x400 and full feature, Shalako 4x400 from Walton and there is a full feature of The shooting starring Jack Nicholson . In the nearly westerns you could also have Gone with the Wind historical drama, Calamity Jane musical western ,Way out West comedy western and Westworld science fiction in a western background.
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posted September 04, 2015 03:58 PM
I have Bandolero 400 digest, High Plains Drifter 2x400, Dodge City, They Died with their Boots On 2x400,and reel one standard 8 sound of Stagecoach...
posted September 04, 2015 05:05 PM
I have the Derann excerpt from Gunfight At The OK Corral. It is a well done reel with nice sharp print and good color, and a snatch of that great song by Frankie Lane. Makes a great little film show opener.
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posted September 05, 2015 01:47 PM
Rooster Cogburn was also released in a 400' Scope version. Have never seen Once Upon A Time In The West in super 8 scope full length around, but I do have a flat full length version, and I have to admit that Claudia Cardinale still looks gorgeous in the flat version.
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posted September 05, 2015 01:57 PM
Osi, i do believe someone has mentioned the full feature of My name is nobody, i wouldn't mind getting my hands on that one. The 4 x 400 footer is a good un though. Would also love to get a copy of the scope 400 footer of Rooster Cogburn, the only other 400 footers of this film i see are all faded. I would assume the scope one's are to.
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posted September 05, 2015 02:28 PM
Hi Michael, It does exist, because I have it, in scope, very nice German print, sound was converted by Francisco, who did a really great job.
posted September 06, 2015 04:58 PM
I only have 400ft versions. True Grit on Kodak SP but good colours, though deep blacks are a little brown now, a remarkably sharp and grain free print, I think from Europe. Once Upon a Time in the West, never had very good colour, contrasty and grainy. USA Print on Eastmancolor but maximum blacks seem still to be black.
posted September 09, 2015 05:58 AM
i have more full lengh Prints on Super 8.
The Big Country-Scope Three Violent People The Magnificent Seven Big Jake Vera Cruz-Scope A Fistfull of Dollar Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo North to Alaska Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid Alamo Tonka Rio Grande Run at the Arrow The Wild Bunch-Scope Massai-the Big Apache (Burt Lancaster) Django Un esercito di cinque uomini
All titles in german and full lengh on Super 8, rare to find alot of Prints comes from Spain, Italy and germany
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posted September 09, 2015 07:33 AM
Sounds Great Andreas. Lots of rare titles there. What's the quality like on Big Country and Vera Cruz? Are they recent releases?
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posted September 10, 2015 03:04 PM
Our list of westerns comprise of Allegheny Uprising feature version Bandits of dark canyon Bugles in the afternoon Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid, Distant Drums Std 8 feature Four faces West Gone with the wind full feature Hannie Caulder 4 x 400 footer flat High plains drifter 2 x 400 Ken Maynard/ Flaming Lead Ken Maynard/ Secret assignment Ken Maynard/ the phantom rides the trail Last train from Gunhill feature Magnificent Seven 2 x 400 footer Scope Making of Paint your wagon LPP print Making of The outlaw Josey Wales McMasters 600 foot, originally 2 x 400 My name is Nobody Scope 4 x 400 Major Dundee 400 footer Once upon a time in the West 3 x 400 foot. (would love the full scope feature) Rails into Laramie 200 footer Rio Grande 5 x 400 foot feature Run of the Arrow full feature colour She wore a yellow ribbon 4 x 400 foot colour Shenandoah The 2 200 footer in b/w Stagecoach full feature Thunder across the plains feature version True Grit 3 x 400 War Drums over the plains feature version Winchester 73 Std 8mm full feature excellent picture and sound
And still looking for more especially Rio Bravo but only with good colour. Fistfull of Dollars, in fact, almost anything.
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posted September 13, 2015 04:32 PM
Good selection Tom. Question for anyone. Did Custer of the West feature on Super 8 the Robert Shaw version.? I think I remember it bring sold as a 5x400 version on Perry's lists years ago but can't remember whether it was magnetic or optical print.
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posted September 21, 2015 03:18 AM
Joseph I would have classed GWTW more as a historical drama set in a civil war background. In my eye it doesnt fit the classic western mode but I know where you are coming from in your comment.
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posted September 21, 2015 07:18 AM
Big Country and Vera Cruz are interesting titles. I had heard of Rio Bravo and My Darling Clementine surfacing from German 8mm market but not those titles. Obviously somebody thought there was the demand for them to be released as full features.
As discussed, on other threads. Westerns never got released by Derann despite requests as Derek's opinion was they never sold in big numbers to justify the cost. That is why the majority of their releases were Hammer Horror or Science Fiction.
I know the Eastwood spaghetti trilogy have surfaced with prints coming from Italy Did they ever get re released in better quality by the German dealers?