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Jason Gronn
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From: Boyne Island, Queensland, Australia
Registered: Sep 2013

posted May 09, 2014 07:25 AM

I received my print yesterday and had to watch it twice, was briliant it has the best sound l have heard on S8 and the picture quality spot on.
This would have to be one of the most enjoyable digests I've seen.

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Lee Mannering
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posted May 09, 2014 09:17 AM

You will have the same print as me Jason and isn’t it amazing quality! Personally I would praise Steve to the limit for a very fine and I am sure overseen quality release the like we have not seen a 2X600 reel for so many a year. I’ll be looking forward to a few local collectors calling over the weekend to view it in sprawling scope and Stereo with this stereo track probably the best I have heard for a off the shelf Stereo release.

This release will be remembered by collectors for some time...

PS: I think we are batch three Jason.

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Jason Gronn
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posted May 10, 2014 04:08 AM

Hi Lee,

I believe you are correct with batch three, and l would agree with what you have said all the way with this little gem.
I had a freind come over while l was screening this the second time and was most impressed with the film.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted May 11, 2014 07:40 PM

In film prints case, can a later batch be better compared to the previous batch (in terms of sharpness, color balance, etc)?

In LP/vinyl, first pressing is always said better.

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Mark Todd
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posted May 12, 2014 03:22 PM

Well the Lab/ super 8 gear has had a refit and Phil S told me he thought reprints of stuff they did before are noticeably improved on.

Sounds good.

Best Mark.

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Lee Mannering
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posted May 13, 2014 02:09 AM

Winbert Really we will not know until we project two prints side by side but from what I have here I would say the new prints are perfect since the printer strip down and overhaul. Next time I run CA I’ll take some shots and post them but that’s not really a good test posted in low resolution on here. We should remember also our suppliers do these releases for love more than anything with virtually zero margin so I’m keen to support them. We are getting these releases at an estimated 32 pence a foot, with sound, spool and box which is a great deal less than 50 ft of bog standard super 8 camera film without processing. With a steady trickle of brand new super 8 releases we do have time to save up and treat ourselves just a little.. [Big Grin]

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Larry Arpin
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From: Sunland, CA, USA
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posted June 04, 2014 02:45 AM

WOW! Just received a polyestar print and it is fantastic. The quality of the picture is just outstanding. It is sharp with lots of detail. In some of Derann's prints, such as Pearl Harbor, there is a lot of contrast but not in this reel. Mine was on a very full 600 foot reel. And the editing was great. I felt the same way I did after I saw the 3x400 foot version of Star Trek. It made the film much better especially for repeat performances. If you had your doubts about buying this don't hesitate. Great job Steve O!

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Lee Mannering
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posted June 05, 2014 02:38 AM

Pleasurable repeatable watch isn’t it Larry. Steve is ‘the man’ and a top job. [Cool]

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Patrick Walsh
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posted July 11, 2014 04:45 AM

email address for where I can buy this digest?

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Adrian Winchester
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posted July 11, 2014 06:37 AM

Larry - I wondered what you thought of the sound quality? A collector recently mentioned comparing the sound on an acetate trailer (not Captain America) with a polyester version of the same trailer and deciding the acetate was better, so I wondered if the sound is still impressive on the CA polyester version, despite being mono?

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Larry Arpin
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posted July 11, 2014 11:27 PM

I thought the sound was just fine.

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Tom Photiou
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posted July 13, 2014 03:07 AM

True Lies Next? [Wink]

And despite me saying I cant justify the price, with TL this changes it, I will take a print, and treat myself. Specially if the quality is a good as Captain America, I am assuming CA is on Low fade stock???

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Adrian Winchester
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posted July 13, 2014 09:22 PM

I think it would be impossible to find a source of non-low fade stock nowadays, even if someone wanted it! I've always assumed that any batches from the pre-low fade era got used by about 1985. LPP was in use by the end of 1982 but even after it became the norm for Derann releases there was a fairly brief era when - if you were unlucky - you might buy a release on some Eastman stock that the lab must have been using up.

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Tom Photiou
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posted July 14, 2014 02:29 AM

Does this mean new 8mm releases may fade with a decade or two?

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Lee Mannering
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posted July 14, 2014 05:49 AM

I'm guessing the acetate prints are on old ex frozen stock which even back in the day was not uncommon to be used and printed this way. Its all a case of supply and cost but you are right that the acetate striped stock holds excellent stereo sound recording and probably for me anyway the best track I've got to stripe for years. The Bond reel also took a superb track although as those who have recorded in stereo will know the edit is different than the disc in one place so a bit of a challenge as everything is fast paced.

True Lies is on top of my list!

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Tom Photiou
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posted July 17, 2014 08:46 AM

So my question is simply this, are any new prints being made now likely to fade as fast as the stuff from Universal 8 etc?

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Dominique De Bast
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posted July 17, 2014 09:54 AM

I wonder what stock is used as it seems very hard to find 35 mm reversal stock now as it is said it is no longer produced at all (except Agfa 200 ?).

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Maurizio Di Cintio
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posted July 17, 2014 03:30 PM

Dominique, the stock used is not reversal, but print film, a peculiar type of negative, especially because of its very low speed (=fine grain). And, based on the fact nowadays we do know what happens if a lab doesn't use proper chemical, proper rinse, proper care etc, I feel confident today's new prints will last longer. And of course if duly cared for, the very first signs of fade will be delayed even further.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted July 17, 2014 03:39 PM

Thank you, Maurizio. I never heard about print film. If it is better that what was used before, wonderful.

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Lee Mannering
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posted July 21, 2014 07:35 AM

Being a bit of a realist and in the 50+ bracket my own concerns about colour fading of new prints are only moderate ones. The main thing is to actually project the prints onto a screen and enjoy them during my three score years and ten. Likewise I would say that with modern chemistry and processing we do have a hope of them lasting and they certainly look smashing on a big cinematic screen. The prospect of True Lies on 8 is quite a wonderful prospect for me.

Hats off to Steve and Phil for a top job!

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Adrian Winchester
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posted July 23, 2014 07:04 AM

I haven't heard any evidence that the colour-holding properties of modern filmstocks has been revised down fron the 75 years that used to be quoted, so I'm only aware of one Forum member who may have to worry about a print of Captain America not looking quite so good when he's in his 90s!

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Gary Crawford
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posted July 24, 2014 10:11 AM

Yes, I think we need to worry more about having any kind of projector that still works in 10, 20 30 years. It may be ironic....we have non fade, great looking prints....and nothing to run them on.

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John Hourigan
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posted July 25, 2014 08:22 AM

Totally agree, Gary --

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Joe Taffis
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posted July 25, 2014 03:08 PM

There are many great running machines that will easily outlive many of us (glad to see you're planning on being around in 30 years Gary!)
BTW, the Captain America digest, whether polyester mono or acetate stereo, is a nice addition to any collection....

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Zechariah Sporre
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From: Ladysmith, WI U.S.A.
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posted August 28, 2014 10:54 PM

I thought it was interesting to see on The Reel Image sales list, I got a couple days ago, that he still had acetate prints for sale of Captain America for $224. Might not be a bad time to get one before they are all poly, and more expensive.

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