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Bill Brandenstein
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 - posted May 02, 2018 01:21 PM      Profile for Bill Brandenstein     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Faded prints are great for training the young'uns on footage that's OK to damage.

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Steve Klare
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They are great for that machine that's "new" or just had some major repair too.

A part of me really doesn't like getting "new" machines: it's like handing your car keys over to valet parking!

-you have no reason to be sure you won't get it back without a big gouge in it!

At least with some red or worse film, you'll be able to try it out and not damage anything you'll regret!

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Chip Gelmini
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 - posted May 02, 2018 02:24 PM      Profile for Chip Gelmini     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Stuff that threads but can’t be screened will always make great leaders. My previous post on “leaders tails and changeovers” will show how to make a good leader without countdowns.

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Bill Brandenstein
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Film is film, folks, they're not making much more of it. So offer it up for free if you want to get rid of it, but don't bin it. Even VS footage can have some limited practical value.

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Graham Ritchie
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The reason I did not offer it for free is, as rightly stated by David Guest earlier on in this topic...Quote

"yes I think it would have sold people on e-bay are buying films of unknown content and getting over 100 pound for them"

If I was to give it away for free, who is to say that somewhere in the future that's exactly where it might land up...on e-bay.

For this hobby to have any future, badly faded prints and those with VS need to be destroyed otherwise, as a good friend of mine once said to me of film collectors are nothing more than junk collectors.

On a more amusing note though, I once went to a film convention, a raffle was drawn and I won a prize. YES I thought. I went up to receive a 16mm film. Thinking that's nice [Roll Eyes] anyway as I walked back to my seat, another good friend of mine...yes I do have a few... was laughing at me and pointing at the film I was holding.

As I went past him he said, that was his old FADED print that he had got rid of years ago.....it had now done the rounds. Anyway I walked straight back to the stage, and said to the person that presented it to me....give it to someone else....and can I have the small box of chocolates instead. Which I later shared around to my good friend who had a good laugh at the time at my expense.

One would hope that somewhere along the line, that particular film would be taken out of circulation FOR good [Smile]

Folks do remember "film collecting" is only a hobby, its not life or death...enjoy the good stuff and get rid of the crap that's out there and we will all be better of. [Wink]

PS. I should add that thankfully so far with home movies....the stuff taken with a camera... I have not come across any signs of fade or VS with Kodachrome K40 and the like, still look fantastic. At the moment I have just finished putting together about 46 rolls of the stuff onto 800ft reels taken at the 1974 Commonwealth Games for a transfer to digital. The colors look great and as far as family home movies are concerned, those very important films look as good today, as when they were taken.

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Oliver F. R. Feld
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 - posted May 03, 2018 12:20 AM      Profile for Oliver F. R. Feld     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
„Folks do remember "film collecting" is only a hobby, its not life or death...“

Graham
To some people it’s more than only a hobby.
And this is the difference...
Passion is not the same as „a hobby“.

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Tom Photiou
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Blimy!!!
Great thread though. [Big Grin] [Wink]

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Allan Broadfield
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 - posted May 03, 2018 04:40 AM      Profile for Allan Broadfield   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Graham is very brave in destroying those faded prints. I have a couple of features that are affected but I would be loath to dump them, more likely give them to someone who just wants to run films. Of course these may be sold on one day, I can't control that.
Films with vinegar syndrome are another matter. These should be dumped as they can affect other acetate based stocks in close proxinity.
Having said that, it's scary to think of the sort of things your neighbours may have sorted away. Having worked in and around the film industry I've heard of several enthusiasts with stockpiles of nitrate prints. That puts even VS in the shade!

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Kevin Clark
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I think due respect should be shown to anyone dealing with their own property in the manner they wish to do so - film collecting is a hobby, one of passion for some, one of pure entertainment and hands on joy for others, but also sadly one of hoarder syndrome 'can't bear to throw out the trash' torture for quite a few too.

Graham - that was a great gesture passing your films to Pat I'm sure he will love watching them in his cinema.

Pat - great to hear you got home safely - please tell me the make and model of the car you used as I could do with upgrading to a good workhorse motor later this year - if it can handle carrying that many heavy 35mm prints it will be ideal for me.

Kevin

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Reese Williams
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it's cool

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Bill Brandenstein
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Hey Reese - what's with all the short answers all over the forum? If what you have to say is about 5 words or less, it's not cool. This isn't Facebook where you need to "like" everyone's posts! Please make sure what you add contributes to the conversation!

So, back on topic:
I think Graham understands the difference between "passion" and "hobby" full well, and if you know his theater history PLUS his amazing home theater history, then you know the amazing evidence of that fact. If he thinks we're junk hoarders because tossing magentavision prints is against our religion, he's welcome to that opinion. I've sold such on eBay with full disclosure and kept few for myself. I'll never forget the pin-sharp print of "My Friend Flicka" on early Eastmancolor film that was amazing to behold on the big screen but was dying of VS and color death, and I didn't want to screen it for an audience. So someone got cheap film to play with. I digress.

Here's the point: to get rid of ALL red film eliminates about 2/3 of everything out there. I don't think all of it is junk, nor of zero usefulness; therefore, getting rid of it all is too extreme in my opinion.

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Patrick Walsh
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Just to reply to Kev's comments, my car is a SUZUKI SWIFT, very lightweight to drive and can as you can see haul a nice load of films! [Big Grin]

Pat

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted May 03, 2018 09:36 PM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bill,

We've all been guilty of one word affirmative posts on occasion....Reese is brand new here, I'm sure he'll catch on.

Patrick,

The car is impressive but your "closet o' film" must be vast!

Doug

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Steve Klare
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 - posted May 03, 2018 09:47 PM      Profile for Steve Klare     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Aye!

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Bill Brandenstein
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Graham Ritchie
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Thanks Bill [Smile]

I think we will have to agree to disagree over what to do with those films [Smile]

This thread must hold some kind of record, of folk expressing there views about this subject, without the need for Doug to come on and delete any of it. [Smile]

It makes life interesting.

Doug...regarding Pat "closet o' film" I have seen it. I will ask him next time if I can take a photo of his secret stash [Wink] ...its really something [Cool]

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Patrick Walsh
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Doug.... not a CLOSET O FILM but a GARAGE O FILM!

[Big Grin]

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Michael Lattavo
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 - posted May 04, 2018 04:53 PM      Profile for Michael Lattavo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bill, I laughed out loud when I saw your last post, something I rarely do! That was a good one!

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Graham Ritchie
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Well folks here is that picture of Pats vast secret stash of films.

However the photo was taken on condition that I did not use a flash or turn the lights on.. [Wink] [Smile]

Hope there is no Nitrate [Smile]
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Bill Brandenstein
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OK, that is truly funny!

Hey, here's another use for faded film: home theater decor. Display a reel or three on the wall in an artistic style. FULL of film.

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Graham Ritchie
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You would have to have a "VERY" understanding wife to do that one [Big Grin]

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Bill Brandenstein
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True! Probably more than understanding... a willing accomplice.

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David Hardy
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I have just had an interesting conversation over the phone with a long time film collector here in the UK.

He has many contacts so he is in the know.

He has informed me that many many more of us here are simply binning faded and VS prints.

Also less of us are buying overpriced 16mm / 8mm prints of shorts and features and buying the DVD or Blu-Ray for projection instead because of the price.

It seems as if film sales are going to take a nose dive soon due to this and also because many of the "old timers" of film collecting are passing away to that projection room in the sky.

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Tom Photiou
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Yes David i agree, ive said for a long time that film prices wont stay at stupid prices for too many years. It's also obvious that some collectors are taking advantage now as some of the titles i have seen long term collectors selling are films that most true collectors would hold onto. I'm sure there are some titles that will always fetch a tidy sum.
You only have to look a flea bay to see some of the idiots trying to list crap at high start prices and they are on there time after time with no bites. 400ft super 8 films, untested and starting at £50-£100
I myself have bought a tidy amount of 16mm in the last 12 months and have got some superb films in very good condition for normal prices. You really dont have to pay over the odds and i will no longer buy anything with fade, not now you see the quality of the blu-ray and digital projectors on offer [Wink]

As for this thread, it's been a good read, i fully understand both arguments of the throwing away of films. If they are beetroot red then yes. If there is a small degree of fade, (which is now so common), i also understand people still getting enjoyment from it, as VS, i hope never to encounter it. We only two b/w films on 16mm so i will be keeping a nose on these.
While binning items is always a shame i guess it takes them out of circulation. Again, for me, as far as 16 is concerned i am only collecting a small amount of films and i will do my utmost to stick with later Agfa or LPP prints only. We one or two TV shows with some fade and i will decide on what we will do with these later on in the year.
At the end of the day these are just movies, if someone wanted to pay me £2000 for my print of T2 or star wars would i turn it down?

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David Hardy
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Tom i agree with you. If someone out there wants to offer me silly money like £2000 for any of my prints i will gladly accept their offer. They can have it gladly . [Wink]

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