Topic: Here we go again: Star Wars for sale on eBay
Stuart Reid
Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 720
From: Worthing, West Sussex, UK
Registered: Feb 2009
posted August 13, 2018 09:57 AM
The Despecialized version is of surprisingly high quality, I watched it projected in my home cinema and it was a knockout.
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From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
posted August 13, 2018 02:45 PM
As i understand it, there are now no original 1977 versions available to buy. Lucas made sure of that. There must still be a few around on laser disc and VHS. (not too sure about the DVD versions), but today it is not available. Our cine films are probably hated by George Lucas.
Stuart Reid
Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 720
From: Worthing, West Sussex, UK
Registered: Feb 2009
posted August 14, 2018 11:21 AM
Tom, the Despecialized edition is made from bits of laserdisc, DVD and even (I think) some scanned 16mm/35mm. There's a great YouTube video about the making of it, including how some sections are made up from still images, with rotoscoped moving images in front of them. Everything looks as it would have if you'd been to the cinema when Star Wars was very first released. The whole project is a startling labour of love, right down to the soundtrack which has been mixed into a very close approximation of the 1976 Dolby Stereo release, complete with original sound fx.
posted August 22, 2018 01:45 PM
I haven't sourced a Harmy Despecialized version, but what I have is the Team Negative 1 scan from 35mm release prints. What's most remarkable about the latter is how grainy it is.
Which brings up a very significant point about Harmy, particularly if you've watched the video linked above: the Despecialized Version claims to be what audiences saw in 1977, but that's true only in concept. Obviously, what he's done goes far beyond reconstruction and deep into restoration and enhancement. Audiences didn't see that crisp and clean of a movie in 1977.
So if you REALLY want the real deal, you need the "Silver Screen Edition" from Team -1, in my opinion.
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From: Southend on Sea, Essex, UK
Registered: Feb 2015
posted August 23, 2018 09:09 AM
I find all this quite fascinating not being particularly informed on the history of the film. Obviously George Lucas knows what is happening. Did he give it his blessing or was it done without his authority? I think it's time I dug out the old Laserdisc and gave it a viewing.
posted August 23, 2018 08:00 PM
Dave, all of it is clearly renegade. And finding downloads is anything but straightforward. The only reason I can assuage my conscience in having this bootleg is because I own so many licensed copies of it on other media, and I consider it a "substitute" media under copyright "Fair Use."
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From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
posted September 19, 2018 05:40 PM
My super 8mm Star Wars from Derann is dated 1989. So which version is this? the original ones or the altered version?
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From: Cheshire, U.K.
Registered: Dec 2003
posted September 20, 2018 01:15 AM
Winbert, it is the 1981 re-release, which is essentially the original 1977 version but with the main title now changed to Episode IV: A New Hope, and a few minor audio mix changes.
The Special Editions with major alterations appeared in 1997 for the 20th anniversary.
Different version, including the original 35mm Dolby prints and original 70mm 6 track prints have slight differences in the audio here and there.
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From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
posted September 20, 2018 03:06 AM
Thanks Rob.
BTW I am still happy with my tiny miny 8mm but excellent color. I don't understand people buying faded prints for high price while the 8mm LPP prints are available. This happened a lot in Gone With the Wind case.
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From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
Registered: Jan 2015
posted September 25, 2018 03:13 PM
I showed Star Wars here in the UK on 35mm in 1977 and yes the prints had a fair amount of grain. So in order to be "authentic" to the original release the grain would have to remain along with some slight print unsteadiness in some shots.
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From: Southern England
Registered: Apr 2008
posted September 28, 2018 09:32 AM
I was one of those of a certain age that saw STAR WARS in my local cinema. I remember the grainy desert scenes very well and wondered why that was. I also recall the light blue boxes around the TIE fighters particularly. Subsequent viewings reveal a lot of 'shortcomings' in the look of the film. I also saw the 'special edition' in the cinema and whilst those sorts of faults were fixed Lucas decided to shoehorn in a lot of clutter. There must be a happy medium where a new print could feature cleaned up effects and perhaps some re-done but not changing the content, as it were.
posted September 28, 2018 04:09 PM
I saw the film when it came out way back in 1977, honest folks how can you remember that far back? I cant remember any faults at all, as I and everyone else were to engrossed watching the film.