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Topic: NEXT BFCC
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Christopher Way
Film Handler
Posts: 51
From: Bournemouth, England
Registered: Oct 2008
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posted October 29, 2008 06:07 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that we would all wish for the continuation of the BFCC at Ealing. I am sure there are numbers who wish to attend. However, in the financial climate we refer to, it can become expensive for us to get to the venues.
It is my intention to attend the next BFCC event next May. I am planning to bring 3 other JR members in my car (so please do not lose the Car Park).
Although the event usually fairs well, I feel that it needs to expand in the direction of having more of the DVD Format, Digital, as well as the present formats, and subjects it already has. It is evident that in time Home Cinema, and the Film Industry will be digital, we cannot hold back, we must move forward. I believe this will open up the audience and visitors bringing more to the events.
Regards, Chris
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Keith Ashfield
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: U.K.
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted October 29, 2008 06:35 AM
Chris, I don't know if you have attended the Blackpool N.F.C.C, but the Digital side has been presented for a couple of years now with Adrian Simmonds of Derann including a digital projection show in the programme of events.
The attendence of these events, as John says, is of paramount importance in keeping the hobby going and this subject has been covered in other posts on this Forum.
However, with the looming ecconomic "crisis", collectors will have "priorities" but, attending the Events (putting bums on seats - so to speak) is the only way the organisers can justify future venues.
I appreciate that some collectors may think it a waste of time attending, if they cannot buy. However, if you can afford the travel costs, then "turn up" - you will not be dissapointed, it will be a "Grand Day Out"!
At least you will have made the effort to ensure the "next event" being organised, where, hopefully, you may be in a better position to get that "bargain".
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Christopher Way
Film Handler
Posts: 51
From: Bournemouth, England
Registered: Oct 2008
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posted October 29, 2008 04:25 PM
I have not attended the Blackpool NFCC. One because of distance, and of course costs. At todays financial restraints one as to warrant the costs to ensure it is viable to attend such functions. I have had to turn down a number of other association events because of costings of getting there and staying there. It is my intentions to visit sometime, and soon I hope.
Regarding the BFCC. I understand completely that initially at the outset of the BFCC it was based around reeled film. However with news of reeled film forever decreasing, and the move forward is digital, then I feel it must be represented. There are a number of Home Cinema fantatics out there who use DVD/Digital imaging and filming. If this format was amongst the programme continously, as well as at the stalls, then it is obvious to me that more would attend, thus keeping the BFCC going, but at the same time moving forward with the times. It seems silly to suggest Tadley, when we are trying to keep Ealing going.
Anyway, as I said before, it is hoped that we can make attendance next May at the 57th BFCC.
Regards, Chris
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Christopher Way
Film Handler
Posts: 51
From: Bournemouth, England
Registered: Oct 2008
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posted October 29, 2008 06:51 PM
I can not believe I am reading your comments, and the negative attitude towards DVD and Digital. Yes, everyone to their own, but we have to face it, it is the way forward. How long do you think your reels of film are going to last, and already it has been in the news that in respect of some film gauges will disappear eventually.
I am somewhat amazed at comments such as "The day digital takes over, people will lose interest big time". Get a life Graham, Digital is here, and will be here long after reeled film has gone. Digital users will be the people who keep film events going. It is ludicrous to think other wise.
Everyone wants to keep the BFCC and NFCC events going, but are not willing to make changes, or add technology. What happened when it was only 9.5, then came along 8mm, then 16mm, then 35mm then 70mm. Did we all turn round and say, "The day this takes over will be the end", no we did not, or this forum and others would not be here.
DVDs are not just for television. That is a self centred opinion. There are many many projectors on the market that show DVD on a large screen. Indeed, if you look at a DVD/Digital set up, the Home Cinema is no different, except the projection.
Wake up, the world is moving.
REgards, Chris
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Kevin Clark
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 978
From: Bapchild, Kent, UK
Registered: May 2004
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posted October 30, 2008 03:36 AM
I will certainly be attending the May '09 BFCC and as many more as Keith and John are able to organise into the future. This month's BFCC was as always a marvelous event and real value for money (£6 for 7 hours entertainment in London on a Saturday = BARGAIN!) with an excellent mix of real film, film memorabilia and DVDs for sale by the dealers in attendance.
Regarding the suggestion of changing the shows to include commercially available DVD projection as a priority over film, - would suggesting a vintage car show changed to displaying modern day vehicles rather than classic and vintage cars be a good one? - of course not - so hopefully sense will prevail and the BFCC will remain film centered, with video projection used as a method of presenting the excellent documentary features produced by Keith and his colleagues.
I have collected Super 8 & 16mm films and equipment for nearly 30 years now, and projected DVD on many different video projectors at home since 1998, recently incorporating HD projection into my system too, so feel qualified to state I am not 'in the dark' regarding modern cinema and home cinema technology, I simply feel it already has sufficient exposure in AV magazines, the many online AV and DVD forums, in high street TV shops, at specialist AV dealer showrooms (ie: Derann AV, Sevenoaks HIFI etc) and at the already long established UK AV technology shows such as CEDIA, and its place is not at cine enthusiast film and memorabilia conventions such as the BFCC.
Kevin
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Christopher Way
Film Handler
Posts: 51
From: Bournemouth, England
Registered: Oct 2008
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posted October 30, 2008 05:21 AM
Firstly, I apologise to Graham for my outburst, but I get so frustrated when members feel I am trying to rid the network of reeled film. I too love reeled film regardles of gauge, but it is a known fact that film tape does detiorate, and in recent news, as this gauge was mentioned, 35mm will be out of ciruculation in the next 5 years or so.
All I am trying to say is that Digital Cinema is in the making. Main stream cinemas have already changed over, and more will have to in time to come. Therefore it is only logical that more emphasis should be given to Digital Home Cinema. Not a take over, just a better viewing.
I congratulate Graham on having such a following of young people, some who would like to get into the projection business. However, have you told them that in cinemas this will be out in a few years time. No one wants to see such things as the BFCC go out of being, but to give the impression that DVD/Digital enthusiasts are a minority, or not wanted, is wrong. We wish to see the BFCC and NFCC continue. Many, if not all have said that both need more attending, so why not open up another format of filming, and get those numbers attending.
It is like the majority of you are saying over my dead body.
I personally could not afford the costs involved of buying projectors, reeled film and all the other equipment needed, but I could afford a DVD projector, and I have many DVDs. It does not mean that I enjoy the films any different, surely the emphasis is on film regardless of how it is seen. By the way, I beleive a DVD will last a lot longer than reeled film, I think Chris you must be referring to VHS tapes.
Anyway, I intend on being at May's BFCC, and I intend on buying anything along the Digital lines. It will be a sad day if this sort of thing is not available because of a time warp. See you all in May.
Regards, Chris
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Mike Peckham
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1461
From: West Sussex, UK.
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted October 30, 2008 06:28 AM
Chris, with the greatest of respect, I think you are completely missing the point.
Firstly, you should be aware that probably the majority of members on this forum project digitally along side reel film. Digital technology is not new to us many of us have been projecting with it for some time.
The 8mm forum is not about cutting edge technology but that is not to say that the members have their heads in the clouds and think that cine will be with us forever.
The majority of people who visit the 8mm forum do so because they want to get a cine fix, people like us love talking about cine, collecting cine films and equipment and using it in the way it was intended. We also, for the most part have tvs, DVD players and projectors and digital cameras.
Digital tv and projection is main stream, it is possible to go to your local branch of Dixons and see all the equipment you could wish for, you can buy DVDs pretty much anywhere and everyone is familiar with it. There are any amount of internet sites and forums that discuss home cinema but for those of us who, as part of our home cinema enjoyment, want to lose ourselves in the world of cine from time to time, this is a great place to come. Incidentally, you will notice that people talk much more passionately about cine than they do about digital projection, and forums such as this that encourage discussion on both formats will, on the whole, invariably see the cine threads running on much longer than the digital ones.
It might be useful for you to visit a cine event before advising people on how to run them better. The BFCC has a certain magic that comes of hearing projectors in all gauges running on stalls all day. Film collectors love to look through films for sale and enjoy the experience of checking them for condition, holding the first few frames up to the light and giving the box a good sniff. The projection area at the BFCC is a truly magical place and it draws visitors all day to look at the projection equipment in use and to chat about their own projectors and equipment.
There is naturally a desire to hold on to as much of that as possible and the fear of diluting it with digital media and run the risk of it becoming just one more home cinema show where the magic of reel film doesn’t exist is a very real one.
Chris mentioned above that the BFCC is a unique event and it would be better for it to finish as a unique event than for it morph into something commonplace. I have to say I agree with him.
If you haven’t experienced the magic of cine and don’t share the love of celluloid with film collectors, your comments about pushing forth into the digital world will continue to be misplaced and ill received. It would be a little like joining a forum for button collectors and tell them that zip fasteners are the future! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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