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Rob Young.
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posted August 25, 2015 04:12 PM

I've known Phil since he first became a super 8 trader.

Good bloke.

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Jonathan Trevithick
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posted August 25, 2015 04:24 PM

I visited Phil in his new shop when I was back in July. I spent a few hours there and also had a good chat with Phil who is a very decent guy. I just took these 2 photos.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted August 25, 2015 04:37 PM

Thanks for that Jonathon, looking good and a lot better organised than Phil's previous back room arrangement in his previous store! Lol.

Where does he keep his loco stuff nowadays Jonathan?
Before, it took precedence over the films right in the front of his old shop.

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Brian Fretwell
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posted August 25, 2015 04:46 PM

From the posts here it looks like people with decent prints are trying for mega money on ebay and missing out dealers now.

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Jonathan Trevithick
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posted August 25, 2015 04:53 PM

Hi Andrew. His trains are in the front of the shop (with his phone sitting on my ancestor's steam locomotive!). Films are behind the counter, down a corridor to the left. There is a big rack to the right of that photo, filled both sides with 16mm. Super 8 continues to the left of the photo.
There is another room at the back with projectors. It also contained a 35mm viewer on which was his Back To The Future promo. He wasn't sure when that would be released, if at all.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted August 25, 2015 04:53 PM

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted August 25, 2015 04:55 PM

Posted twice for some reason?? So deleted the first.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted August 25, 2015 05:09 PM

I am certain you are correct Brian. It is easier now than its ever been to sell your films privately without involving a dealer, if you have a quality desirable collection.

I do have sympathy and complete admiration in many ways for any of the remaining dealers.
Phil sold his last collection of Disney Derann features for £200 each irrespective of the title.

Many sell for much much higher on e bay now by private collectors and people who have sadly been left a collection by a bereaved family member.

What chance does a dealer then have of making any profit at all?

Not easy nowadays I would have thought.

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Jonathan, that sounds better than his previous arrangement then in that at least the films get to sit alongside the steam trains in the front of house so to speak.

When I was in his other shop once, there was an elderly chap who Phil was clearly a pal of who just had to give me the full details of a railway loco named the same as my surname as I was filling in the forms for Phil's mailing list!

This guy could tell you any journey that any train had ever made here in old Blighty! Ha ha ha.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted August 25, 2015 05:16 PM

Thank you, Jonathan. I was wondering about the Back To The Future promo reel. It is not easy to have informations about any new releases or projects of new super 8 films.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted August 25, 2015 05:20 PM

I do hope that one comes off. I would love to have anything "Back to The Future" on film!

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Jonathan Trevithick
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posted August 25, 2015 07:46 PM

You would have to ask Phil but I didn't get the impression that he would be releasing BTTF promo in the near future.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted August 26, 2015 12:51 AM

Phils is waiting for people showing their interest before releasing a film and people like me are waiting for informations it is released before buying :-) There is sadly a lack of informations about the new releases on Phil's website, I I may say that, such as a describtion of the content and the prices. That probably doesn't help the sales.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted August 26, 2015 03:29 AM

Maybe by the time we get it, the film will simply be called "The Future" [Big Grin]

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Dave Groves
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posted August 26, 2015 11:04 AM

Phil is constantly asking what collectors want but it seems to me that the small number prepared to pay the cost of new prints all want something different. Paul Foster told me that getting hold of films was getting more difficult and I noticed that there's been nothing under the A section for some time. Must be increasingly difficult for dealers to compete with online sales especially when titles particularly sought after go for prices far beyond what they normally sell at.

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Kevin Clark
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posted August 26, 2015 11:31 AM

Hello Dave

Regarding your comment that nothing has been listed under the A section on Paul Foster's website, if you are referring to the 16mm features section you will find it is a blip in the page's HTML code - simply scroll down and you will find the A to C listings.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted August 26, 2015 12:03 PM

As far as Super 8mm goes, Dave's comments echo exactly what I was saying recently regarding a lack of top titles with the dealers. Not their fault of course, but a tricky situation all around.

We all want the dealers to have titles we want to buy and at prices which we are prepared to pay for them but no one now is going to sell a low fade feature in good Nick for 50 or 75 pounds.
So how can they fulfil our needs?

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Dave Groves
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posted August 27, 2015 03:53 AM

Thanks kevin. Thought it was a bit odd that there was nothing but hadn't found the A-C's at all. I'll have another look. Things don't look over wonderful for our hobby. We're a declining number fishing in a declining pool. But at least there's still the hope that we'll hook something really great so we carry on. Fortunately, our enjoyment doesn't rely upon new product (though we wish it was available) but just the opportunity to run what we've got and share our pleasure and knowledge with one another.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted August 27, 2015 04:23 AM

I believe there are plenty looking to buy still, as whatever new second hand quality titles come in the dealers,they seem to get sold very quickly indeed (certainly the case on 8).
So there is absolutely no shortage of interest out there, just a lack of quality prints being offered to the dealers, it would appear.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted August 27, 2015 05:37 AM

It seems that the high prices are the main problem for many flmmakers or collectors. The price of the filmstock has noticeabily increased recently. Although the choice of reversal stock has declined, there is still an interest for it. Even in 9.5, there is demand for camerastock. Waiting for Ferrania, new super 8 Kahl cartridges are again available since a few weeks. CHC and the Reel Image have new titles on super 8 films and if there is a sufficient demand and support they can print other ones. So it's up to us...

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