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Lee Mannering
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Hello Mark. Nothing for me will top the excitement of powering up my first decent Eumig which still gives off the same factory smell as it did back the 70's, that for me will never be replaced even by the forthcoming 'Ultra Blu-Ray'.

That being said I have been enjoying very much a few of the 3D Blu-Rays using the Benq eco machine and similar economy priced active glasses. With used Blu-rays now selling around here at £1.79 they have fairly swiftly become another throw away item which did surprise me somewhat.

The steel box thing I have yet to understand but I do know the printing wraps the box if that is of importance, also with attached price hiking. For me I would be looking for better quality scanning of good film materials and extras rather than a box but hey ho to each his own. It's all fun of course and a new avenue of entertainment and collectability for many or else they would not produce the steel book versions.

Back to the Eumig [Cool]

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John Hourigan
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Whether it's Blu-Ray or film, the content/quality of the movie/film will always supersede the box packaging as a priority for me. That being said, the packaging for the 1927 JAZZ SINGER DVD is outstanding, including multiple materials associated with the early Vitaphone sound shorts that are included as DVD extras. It's most valued in my home cinema, and I highly recommend it.

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Steven J Kirk
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Well, personally I love everything to do with the film industry in general. It probably is an obsession and I don't mind admitting it. I have 16mm, Super 8 and Blu-Ray/DVD through a video projector and I have posters and press books and 8x10s and film programmes too. I like nice packaging and like good clean reels for my films, even trying to match studio reels to the film where possible. Film magazines, novelisations, ( who collects those!) oh, I also have a collection of LP soundtracks too. I still buy soundtracks even though I have the whole film. Because LP artwork is nice. I have a lot of books about film, from history type stuff to academic theory and everything else in-between.

The only format I have ever really 'given up' on is laserdisc, because many of my discs got the laser rot and different versions of the system: NTSC,PAL, analogue/digital sound, different size discs, made a player to do it all problematic and expensive.

My favourite format is 16mm. A good dense print gives you an authentic cinema experience with all the sounds and smells, all the beeps, pops and academy countdown you want. BUT, the new films aren't going to be there so you need a video projector and to go that way too.

I think it is a great time to be a film buff. The video projection technology is amazing and all the films and projectors you couldn't dream of owning when you were 17 are all on eBay at frankly quite affordable prices, for the most part. I say enjoy it all.

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Dave Groves
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Lee, where on earth do you live. Blu-rays at £1.79!!! In Southend you're lucky to find a used one for a fiver. DVD's must be going for a song by the sound of it.

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Mark Todd
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Wow Steve you really have got some serious stuff going on there.

I still do vinyl as well, and bought an amazing direct drive deck for £120 odd delivered last year and the qaulity is astonishing for the money, and the sound too.

Its got as pre-amp built in is brilliant. But I only now and again buy the odd new 180gram record if around £12 or so posted sealed etc.

The steelbooks give me a hell of a buzz and I see it as all filmie etc.

There are such interesting steelbooks around like the origional mad max films on blue ray in germany. A lovely 2001 just came out recently , some of these have real thought put in to them.

Its fantastic now.

I just ran a few 16mm trailers earlier tonight though and about to crank up the LCD projector for a Friday night at the movies session.

Maybe one of the 8 universal horrors set restored on Blu Ray for £15 delivered earlier this year. Wow !!!

If your a film junkie with any and all formats it is great now.

Best Mark.

PS I bet your house would be really good fun for a ferret around in Steve for all us like minded types on here.

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Steven J Kirk
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Hope all is going well, Mark. Yes, it's an 'Aladdin's Cave' round here to be sure. But it is a lifetime's work. I inherited my Dad's film stuff too and he had a lot of posters and film programmes and original stills. He was a projectionist and at the time the publicity material was to be thrown away after the film's release so he brought home a lot of memorabilia. I still have comics from childhood too, I'm a collector and I know how easy it is to get carried away.

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Lee Mannering
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Hi Dave yes I live on planet film [Smile]
Used Blu-Rays are on sale in a local Cash Gen £1.79, I think dvd's were 79p sat next to them which rather bowled me over for a main high street store. I'll get the address of the Blackpool store who has a shop full of BR only price £2.50 and update here at some point.

Talking of projecting BR I have scanned some of my favourite rarer 16mm optical shorts to preserve and do include these via the old pen drives in programmes at times. They look fine but nothing really beats threading up a projector really for fun and entertainment.

Shame about the old Laser Disc and the effects of time, as we age we are all showing quite a bit of rot setting in. [Eek!]

Mark I daren't think how much I paid for my USA film print of Ghost of Frank back in the 80's let alone the shipping from the USA.

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Paul Barker
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only ones i have ever seen in these shops are from £1.50.but these are always rubbish titles. decent titles always command a higher price. like most things.

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Mark Todd
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Yes steve OK thanks apart slightly from the rushing past years. Hope you are too.

I was thinking about LCD projection now price wise Lee.

You can get an absoluitely superb projector from about £250 now and blu ray player thats tip top picture qaulity wise for £50.

So lets say £350 now and you are away at a very nice point and you can go on from there.

Lets transpose that back to 1979 and its about £70-80 then so lets say £100 in 1979 . Now if that could of got you a superb LCD projector, blu ray player and a few Blu Rays that would of been mind blowing then.

Also a steelbook even with a blu ray and dvd in for say £10 posted is about £2 posted in 1979. ordinary Blu Rays about a £1 posted back then if you will.

We never had it so good really.

I sometimes feel a bit stuck in the mindset of the past money wise. When you look at something thats say £8 and um and ah but compared to the cost of living its amazingly cheap.

I hope a few Hammers come out in steelbooks with the oldie artwork used. They are a bit much in the usual packaging ( ? ), but I would pay that for a steel for a hammer.

Best Mark.

A few nice ones coming out soon.

http://www.zavvi.com/blu-ray/dr-terror-s-house-of-horrors-limited-edition-steelbook-limited-to-4000-copies/11146761.html

http://www.zavvi.com/blu-ray/casino-royale-zavvi-exclusive-limited-edition-steelbook/11146681.html

http://www.zavvi.com/blu-ray/dracula-prince-of-darkness-zavvi-exclusive-limited-edition-steelbook-2000-only/11095319.html

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John Hourigan
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Agree Mark -- this really is the best time to be in the movie collecting/screening hobby!

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Mark Silvester
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I too agree - with all the above "rational" posts...but B/ray for that price, Lee Mannering..good titles never seen em ...even wholesale!.for that price...lol. But I have to say, I had some great recollections of my time in 16mm/8mm..days gone by now.

I had a favourite time in 16mm...my print of "Night of the Hunter" was superb - original..(and sold to a VIP in this country).but nearly cost me my house alongside other prints, because at that time I pursued the best - ..the most exceptional print quality that could be found - that was "obsession" because that is where film leads you - the need to buy that print..and "keep" it.... Hmm.. nothing wrong with that as long as we understand and get the balance of the situation, but I love the big screen...8mm wise as I was a friend of Derek Simmonds (and still am of Adrian Simmonds son)... I swapped my 16mm LLP of Roger Moore "View to a Kill" personally with Derek not long before he died for his own copy, personal - first one run of the negative of "Shane" - amazing copy...I ultimately sold that to a guy in New York, I am sure. Loved the business..hey Doug do you still have the 8mm"Flash Gordon?"...so do I miss the 8mm/16mm...yes I do. I will always have a dip in and out. BUT - most of all I want a BIG SCREEN experience that can be enjoyed collectively...friends family, etc. Long live the movies!! [Smile]

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Graham Sinden
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I watch both film and DVD but mainly watch shorts now due to time available with work etc. I love holding a super 8 copy of a film and watching the projector purr away but being honest I could enjoy it just as much on DVD and if its late at night don't have the hassle of rewinding it and putting away the projector.

I do remember a statement from Tony Churcher who raved about DVD projection. He said "It's what's on the screen what counts, not how it gets there "

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Andrew Woodcock
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I am sorry Graham but that is where Tony Churcher and I would always have to disagree, just as I did over his design of a film reel!

Film is a practical work of art in my opinion. A showcase vintage product of a bygone era.

If you just want to WATCH something, then yeah go ahead screen a video on DVD or Blu Ray or easier still just switch on your telly!

But if you want to watch a work of art, as it was originally made... then screen a film.

It would appear to me lots of early collectors would never have even bothered with film if today's alternatives had sat alongside in the very same era.

Now, for me, when i watch a mint print from the very same era VHS was putting out less than 500 lines of resolution.... it makes me appreciate it all the more!

As a friend of mine once explained to a none collector who very kindly pointed out that he could get the very same title of a film he was buying for a few quid, he replied...

" I can print off a picture of the Mona Lisa for virtually nothing, but you ain't getting the original unless you're a multi millionaire!"

That is why we collectors watch our films dozens of times but watch our DVD's once or twice at the most.

There's no accounting for taste as they say!

The art form that was indeed FILM was perhaps wasted on these people.

Thank God there are those who look deeper than skin deep!

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Mark Todd
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Its a funny one as when you are watching Bugs life or Toy Story etc on super 8 you are actually watching digital ( put on to real film )

But when you watch say Zulu or Laurence of Arabia or say Ben Hur for instance on Blu Ray you are watching real film.

One thing is for sure you can now watch films affordably and beautifullly in the home far closer to the origional elements than you can on a real film print. But you are still essentially watching film up there.

I`ve just watched a film on Netflix on the VP 10 feet wide that looked very filmie and nice, and just looked it up and it was shot on digital.

When it comes down to it owning real film and collecting is as much about compulsion ( it is with me ), ownership, exclusivity or an idea that it is, obssession, and a step in to the hoarding arena. Also faffing on and the love of it all etc, but we are are all subject to what inside us drives us and about how it connects to us.

When you project the Laurel and Hardy Dvds on a VP they really do look so filmie, often more filmie than they do on real 8 or 16mm film.

When it comes down to it, its about what you enjoy and if discussing digital etc etc on here as well as our love of real film might just get a few more people here via searches etc that might not otherwise end up here and the odd few might, just might get interested.

What we should all try to do for the hobby is to pick up the odd nice Sankyo 501 for £15 or £20 and pop them in the loft etc and when a newbie turns up who is interested make sure one of us sends him one of those at cost and post, and a few of us send him ( or her be nice ) a few free films to get them going etc so they don`t have to suffer the vagaries of ebay and as more often than not end up being put right off.

If film does it for you, you can be secure in that and enjoy it, but I really think the wider we discuss the various ways to enjoy films now, the more opportunity there is for someone to stumble on to here and just maybe get a spark of interest and pick up the hobby.

Best Mark.

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Andrew Woodcock
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They only look film like Mark because they're taken from FILM.

As said, if I want to watch for instance one of my favourite films," American Beauty" for instance, then there is only one way to watch it given the era it was made.

But the very fact that Derann were still releasing film product well into the digital era such as bugs life & Toy Story surely only adds to the sheer collectability and uniqueness of these very late prints and the quality of these prints on eight is nothing short of exceptional!

Let's hope the film forum discusses film and its associated equipment for many years to come just yet.

The fact there is a cheap alternative just doesn't cut it for me as I'm making up for lost time with my Super 8mm journey.

I get it that for some it is a sensible compromise,but personally for me, when I had 1,2 & 3 Toy Story on Blu ray, it was always a compromise until I had a mint TS1 on film just like The Lion King also was.

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Paul Barker
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WOW. what was that i said about addiction and obsession...

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David Skillern
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Hi all,

Isn't it amazing how the discussion of one topic can turn into something else of an entirely different beast. I was bitten by the super 8 beast in the late 1970's and can't get it out of my system . My two lounges both have slightly different size screens in them and both are equipped with lcd projectors supplied by a certain Mr Todd who started the whole topic off. However my smaller screen the 7ft one in screen 1 - is where I keep all my 8mm projectors (last count 7 - ranging from an eumig 824, several elmo's 180, 1200D and 1200HD and a Fumeo 9119) and my 8mm collection - that I am still adding to - as my taste in films is quite eclectic my collection ranges from the carry ons , musicals, classic hammer and more recent horror films, action pics - I have the 3 die hard features and some great scfi like predator, Alien,Aliens, Robocop and Star Trek Generations. My wife is reasonably sympathetic - however she constantly reminds me to catalogue all of them with a price as if anything happened to me - several nice holidays would be on the cards !!!!
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Quote;

"Isn't it amazing how the discussion of one topic can turn into something else of an entirely different beast."

Indeed, David, which is one of the reasons that I come to this forum less and less.

Some people seem to have there own agenda, which I neither understand nor want to.

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Paul Barker
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i wonder how many actually tell their wife/partner the true cost of the films they have bought over the years. there are several i know who have usually told a few porkies re what they actually paid. as collectors have passed on their other half hasnt got a clue. so when they sell them on, usually to some dealer who is there like a vulture, they get what they think is a fair price. so so sad really.

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Andrew Woodcock
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You have some superb titles and equipment there David!
Very nice indeed!
[Wink]

Mine will all be going in the bin sadly when I'm gone according to my better half [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

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Er...my copy of "The Lion King" was actually bought by my partner new from Derann at Blackpool, 1996.

I can actually quote her as saying, "why don't more people know about this stuff??"

Of course, now she prefers digital! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Smile] [Smile]

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Years ago somebody here wrote that their rule of thumb with film purchases and telling wives was to move the decimal point one place to the left!

We have an understanding in this household: each of us has our stuff that we enjoy, and as long as the dollar amounts are reasonable, comparable, the clutter is kept in control and the credit cards get paid off every month then we are both OK with it.

Besides, life being what it is, the film budget is a pretty minor expense. If it brings a little joy it's probably a bargain!

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Andrew Woodcock
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My missus has never seen a single projected image in our house besides that from the digital projectors I've had over the years.

She would never ever watch a cine film and thinks anyone that still does in 21st century is absolutely bonkers! [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

The only reason I can justify to her what I spend on film is because unlike her, I managed to give up smoking a while back.
If anyone thinks films are a waste of money,try spending £9 a day on B&H's!!

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Paul Barker
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i totally agree there Andrew.

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Mark Todd
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I don`t suppose anyone who doesn`t have it isn`t going to understand that thing or buzz you get putting the film ptojector on, the threading up and that first blast and focus on to the screen.

I might have mentioned it here before but I had contact with a chap who did all of his super 8 dealings from a nearby public phone box and you had to send the films to his nephew or cousins house, the wife never knew the costs etc.

He bought loads of Derann features new, about £350 at the time.

But then he bought T2 and another sci fi one and they just didn`t do it for him and he asked derann to take them back against another new older one he fancied, they were over £700 the 2 and a week old Derann only offered him £90 each credit each agsainst another new one, so he so he wasn`t sure he was going to buy any more.

Most wives probably assume the cost is nearer a dvd. My now Ex other half hated cine, but part of that was me mentioning films that came that were red, vinegar, scratched to bits, missing sound, even a bell and howell TQ1 from an actual engineer who had fitted a new worm gear !!!, but it had an old cracked white one still in etc etc etc she thought I was a right mug keeping putting myself in that possition.I did go through a particularly bad couple of years at that point being lied to and ripped off left right and centre then. Funnily enough ebay made that a bit better.

Best Mark.

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