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Luigi Castellitto
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From: Campobasso, Italy
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posted February 06, 2017 04:09 AM

Someone have, or has seen in operation Super 8 (or Normal 8, if exists), with the sound on vinyl?
I'd like to know more.
Thank you!

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David Roberts
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posted February 06, 2017 08:43 AM

I seem to remember a company offering a silent cartoon film with a 7 inch vinyl record with a sountrack on it. I think the trademark was "Americom"
this was many years ago.

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Luigi Castellitto
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posted February 06, 2017 12:18 PM

Yes, Americom. Here are two examples:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/310/2032/1600/americom1.jpg

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/images/Records%20Page/filmrecord-popeye1.JPG

There were also other horror, Dracula, Frankenstein...
The vinyl was in synchro with the film, through a procedure.
Sometimes appears one example on eBay etc., not at high price, I'd love to have one, but I have don't have the vinyl player, I should make it pay.

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David Roberts
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posted February 06, 2017 01:43 PM

the record had a lip around the outer edge,and you placed the stylus against this as a starting point.
because you used your standard record player,it cant have held very good sync,but I would think it was great fun if you only had silent films.

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Ricky Daniels
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posted February 06, 2017 03:47 PM

Luig, there's further information for you here...

8mm Forum topic

Best,
Rick

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Brian Fretwell
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posted February 06, 2017 06:27 PM

It wasn't vinyl but plastic "flexidisc" much thinner. I had/have 2 of them a Beetle Bailey cartoon and a Laurel & Hardy.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted February 06, 2017 08:04 PM

It is not an easy job to make it synced. Even when I used a record player with speed adjustment. If you have one with fixed speed, then say goodbye...it will be out of sync.

cheers,

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Gary Crawford
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posted February 07, 2017 07:14 AM

The sound records , at least in the case of Curse of Frankenstein, was electronically altered to run with the film at somewhere around 17 to 18 fps. Most people didn't have sound projectors that ran at 24fps. The sound is odd...but ok. I recorded the record onto reel to reel and cassette and ran the film that way. There was a little spot on the film leader you were supposed thread up to....and record had a little beep to signal you to start the machine. Cute idea.

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Joe Taffis
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posted February 07, 2017 07:36 AM

Yes, I remember my regular 8 Curse of Frankenstein had three dots, a dot on each frame, at the beginning to sync with the record. It worked well because there was very little dialogue in that digest [Smile]

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Brad Kimball
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posted February 07, 2017 09:49 AM

Flawed, yes. So much fun, though. I still collect them. Just great for nostalgia purposes. The sound is not quite right due to it being electronically slowed down, but it was all there was back in the day. My kids think the whole thing is so stone-age. They can't grasp it at all.

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Clinton Hunt
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posted February 07, 2017 08:27 PM

I've seen one of these for sale on ebay recently and didn't get back to it for a proper look.
I think it will be cool to have at lease one in my film collection [Smile]

I will look out for more and hopefully it's not too expensive [Wink]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted February 07, 2017 08:35 PM

least

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Jason Smith
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posted February 07, 2017 10:41 PM

I have a 200ft Godzilla film released in Japan in the early seventies that came with a flexidisc. The film in addition has the soundtrack on it( either optical or magnetic).

Most of the Super 8 films I`ve seen in Japan came with a cassette tape in case a user had a silent projector.

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Joseph Randall
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posted February 10, 2017 07:44 PM

What makes Americom collectible for many collectors is that it is the only way to get many of their titles in Super 8 or 8mm. For example, Laurel and Hardy's Fox feature cut-downs from A-HAUNTING WE WILL GO, THE DANCING MASTERS, and THE BIG NOISE.

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Osi Osgood
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posted February 11, 2017 11:36 AM

What's so humorous about all of this, is that, this is how sound movies movies first began ... sound recorded on a disc that the projectionist would have to sync with the image projected on screen.

It must have been kind of irritating, especially if the record developed a skip!

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Luigi Castellitto
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posted February 11, 2017 06:04 PM

Also interesting is the thread linked by Rick, full of anecdotes about these particular films.
I hope procure on ebay or similar one of them, to see how they sounded.
@Jason: Films+audiocassette tapes are like this? http://img.tarad.com/shop/k/kokoshop/img-lib/spd_20110723171107_b.JPG
Beautiful! The audicassette could be more in sync compare to a record?

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David Hardy
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posted February 12, 2017 04:33 AM

I still have my original Americom Sound on Disc titles in
my collection. I still run them now and again. All in
glorious monochrome.

THE CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN
HORROR OF DRACULA
THE FROGMEN ... (Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea )
A HAUNTING WE WILL GO ... Laurel and Hardy
THE BIG NOISE ... Laurel and Hardy
THE MONEY MACHINE ... Laurel and Hardy
SNOW WHITE AND THE THREE STOOGES

Great fun indeed trying to synch them up.
The sound quality is far from "Hi-Fi" but then again even the best of 8mm stripe is too.

"START PROJECTOR ON TONE"... Beeeeeppppp !

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted February 12, 2017 05:01 AM

I had the Americom cut down + disc of "Voyage to the bottom of the sea". Once the sound was transfered to cassette tape, it was easier to manage.
If you search this forum, I also posted a pictures many years ago of the 200ft Empire Strikes Back Ken Film cut-down that included a cassette tape of the soundtrack. Great box.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 12, 2017 05:41 AM

Bert, at Super 8 Warehouse, has such a film currently on his site for sale @ €29.
It's a 200ft Super 8 silent film "The Face Of Fu Manchu" with a 33 1/3 disc.
http://super8warehouse.com/?product=face-of-fu-manchu-james-bond-spoofsound-on-disc

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John Yapp
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posted February 12, 2017 06:43 AM

Start Projector on tone.

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Melvin England
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posted February 12, 2017 08:15 AM

Many years ago at Blackpool, I bought a pile of children's cartoons which were 200' colour, with sound on a 33 1/3 rpm disc ( a proper vinyl disc,not a flexi disc)

They were from "Golden Book Films - Storytime Series" which were trade marks of Western Publishing Company,Inc.

Over the years I managed to sell most of them. I kept the two which I had sound striped and transferred the non lip-sync sound onto.
They were called "Odds and Ends Playground" and "Dragon in A Wagon"
Does anyone remember them? I could provide a full list of titles in the series if need be.

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Bill Phelps
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posted February 12, 2017 11:17 AM

Yes I have 2 of them the titles are "Too Many Bozos" and "Sylvester" they come in really nice packaging and are easy to screen because of just having narration over limited animation. They are pretty cool.

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Melvin England
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posted February 12, 2017 11:20 AM

Bill,have you transferred them to a sound stripe or still play them direct from the disc as you project the film?

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Bill Phelps
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posted February 12, 2017 11:28 AM

I play the record alongside the film....record collecting is my other main hobby so it is nice to combine the two. I would like to get some of the Americom titles eventually.

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