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Andrew Woodcock
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- posted March 09, 2015 07:42 AM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Ah well, the dust has just about settled since the last print that was sold on e bay UK of The Derann print Star Wars for over £1000, and wouldn't you just know it....
it appears to be happening all over again, this time from Germany.

Still no screen shots I notice.

Let the battle commence! [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251870931574?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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Nigel Higgins
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- posted March 09, 2015 09:57 AM      Profile for Nigel Higgins     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Crazy i just found some old film lists from 1999-2001 and paul foster had a secondhand derann star wars for £169.00 on one of them how times have changed .

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Andrew Woodcock
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- posted March 09, 2015 10:02 AM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
I bet you wish, like me, you had bought it from him now though Nigel. [Wink]

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Phillip R Campey
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- posted March 09, 2015 03:09 PM      Profile for Phillip R Campey     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's going to go even crazier because the guy who I have just bought a really nice print of preditor from is putting a full length print of Alien on ebay which I believe are very hard to get your hands on.

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Andrew Woodcock
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- posted March 09, 2015 04:22 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Bring it on Phillip! [Wink]

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Paul Browning
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- posted March 09, 2015 04:50 PM      Profile for Paul Browning   Email Paul Browning   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Already half way there Andrew, and still 5 days to go, its seems the lack of any screen shots makes no difference to this film, just bid away.

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Andrew Woodcock
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- posted March 09, 2015 06:03 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Only for those with very deep pockets though Paul. [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

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Osi Osgood
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- posted March 10, 2015 02:11 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I tell you folks, we have been in the financial dog house for well over three years, so I am SOOO GLAD that I was able to secure my STAR WARS prints when I did, as I certainly couldn't afford them anymore ...

(and, if I ever DID have to sell them, at least it's something I could make my money back on, plus more over the top!)

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Andrew Woodcock
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- posted March 10, 2015 02:29 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Keep all the original Derann boxes and spools, keep it spotlessly clean and never scratch it, keep all original leaders and tails as original with no splices. If yours matches this description Osi, you're onto a winner!

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Robert Tucker
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- posted March 12, 2015 04:45 PM      Profile for Robert Tucker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
To be fair if you have a first run Star Wars Derann print in mint condition. Either enjoy watching it with your family and friends. Making sure you use a projector that will never scratch your precious film collection.

It is now becoming extremely hard to find mint prints in any formats these days. Guess it's all down to supply and demand.

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Paul Browning
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- posted March 12, 2015 04:56 PM      Profile for Paul Browning   Email Paul Browning   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
even when you find them, you carn't get your hands on them !!!!.

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Andrew Woodcock
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- posted March 12, 2015 06:13 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Mine are Robert..so what does that tell you about a Bauer T610, a Eumig S938 or indeed a Beaulieu 708el CD Stereo!

Maybe, not so bad after all eh Robert!!

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Robert Tucker
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- posted March 13, 2015 09:24 AM      Profile for Robert Tucker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Unfortunately not much as not everyone has a good well maintained projectors these days like you do Andrew. Also the three makes you mention all have its good points and bad points generally down to the design of the projector and manufacture.

Does any of these projectors have a safety cutoff if the film breaks or malfunctions incorrectly ? It's something to think about when running prints worth thousands.

[ March 13, 2015, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: Robert Tucker ]

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Andrew Woodcock
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- posted March 13, 2015 11:38 AM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
You are a Bauer expert Robert. You will surely be aware that if the drive belt snaps then the whole machine including the lamp justs shuts down.

No damage can be done to the film on these. Also I dont know of any Super8mm print that is worth thousands.

[ March 13, 2015, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Robert Tucker
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- posted March 13, 2015 12:02 PM      Profile for Robert Tucker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's not so much a belt breaking on a Bauer as you describe , but that most automatic thread projectors which are the norm in the super 8 world can and will damage your film period. A prime example is your post on your Beaulieu issue.

I much prefer manual thread machines but once again it's all down to personal preference at the end of the day.

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Osi Osgood
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- posted March 13, 2015 12:29 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My first day Derann print is literally mint. If my memory serves me, I bought this off of Paul Foster, who maintained that he had bought this on the first day and had it signed (the boxes, of course) by David Prowse, who was reportedly there on that first day!

The "1977" Cineavision scope version isn't quite as immaculate, but in scratch free condition. I loved it so much, I actually decided to leave it in it's original format, on 400ft reels and leader, instead of combining and putting it on 4X600ft, (I can't use 1200ft, not with my Eumig's and Chinon's).

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Andrew Woodcock
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- posted March 13, 2015 02:43 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
The "prime example" Robert, you point out was, if you read the passage, a fault.

Why was the fault present? For the reasons stated had you read it in full which was bad handling of the lower guide in a past life.

With no abuse, an owner who understands the consequences of doing things the wrong way, with someone who treats the machine with the care it deserves...the guide and most else works for a very long time just perfectly, just like a Rolls Royce does ironically.

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Robert Tucker
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- posted March 13, 2015 04:29 PM      Profile for Robert Tucker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Andrew, i think your're really missing the point somewhat? if you did not have that automatic thread part on the projector, you would not have that problem. I trust it scratched one of your prints before you noticed it?

You will also notice that the way the automatic thread is designed you can easily miss feed a film with out noticing it. And feed the film from the bottom of the sprocket sprung shoe and not where the arrow is pointing to feed the film.

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Andrew Woodcock
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- posted March 13, 2015 04:36 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
I am totally baffled+?+??

The arrow on the above photo is pointing to the nut. Nothing to do with where the film is threaded.

I do not have the feintest idea of what your point is amongst any of that?

This machine threads flawlessly the only realistic way you can.
It is almost idiot proof in that respect therefore I cannot possibly see how even a novice could thread this wrong with a basic capacity of following the clearly written instruction manual.

I truly believe you would benefit from reading all the past posts regarding the one time scratch issue on this. Coming in late has clearly led you down the wrong garden path with this one.

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Robert Tucker
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- posted March 13, 2015 04:52 PM      Profile for Robert Tucker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Come Andrew isn't this forum for everyone to share their views or do we have problem?

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Andrew Woodcock
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- posted March 13, 2015 04:55 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Oh I am too tired to continue with this, it's going nowhere sadly.

Quite what any of this has to do with a print of Star Wars on eBay is beyond me.

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Robert Tucker
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- posted March 13, 2015 05:04 PM      Profile for Robert Tucker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Precisely Andrew!

Osi i was actually at that event at the Watermans Art Center. It was a wonderful day. Meeting Mr Prowse, enjoying watching Star Wars in the Watermans Art Center cinema.

And seeing Derann having loads and loads of Techno ITC films to sell along with a a brand new Fujicascope SD-Auto projector from 1980. Now i wonder how many people bought these on the day?

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Jonathan Trevithick
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- posted March 15, 2015 06:41 AM      Profile for Jonathan Trevithick   Email Jonathan Trevithick   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Back on topic. So, it went for just a tad over the £1000 mark.....

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Robert Tucker
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- posted March 16, 2015 03:47 AM      Profile for Robert Tucker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Don't you just Love eBay [Big Grin] now I wonder if Empire or Return will eventually warrant a high price in future just like Star Wars.

It's just a shame a better master wasn't available to use at the time for Star Wars. But thanks to the Derann's legacy we should be most grateful.

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Jason Gronn
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- posted March 22, 2015 06:17 PM      Profile for Jason Gronn   Email Jason Gronn   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It must be Star Wars fever, l just found on eBay Germany a very nice print for a mere €1450.
This hobby is getting out of hand if you ask me.
I don't mind paying good money for a good title but really 1450 for a second hand print which did not even cost that when new.
Now l know it's all about demand etc but how do people expect this hobby to stay alive and encourage new people to it when collectors are demanding prices like this, however l will pay that for a new print but that's different all together.
Maybe I should wait a few more months and sell mine for $3000 and see what happens.
Well that's my rant for the day.

Jason
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