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Bill Phelps
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 - posted November 23, 2015 06:49 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Maybe George Lucas bought it so he can destroy it....he can afford it. it would help him in eliminating the original version.

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Phillip R Campey
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 - posted November 24, 2015 11:31 AM      Profile for Phillip R Campey   Email Phillip R Campey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Now there is a like new 16mm print of Empire strikes back, god only knows what that will go for.

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Steve Klare
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 - posted November 24, 2015 11:58 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Word is all over the place about this print and there will be many, many new prints in the coming days and weeks and they won't all get what this one did.

First supply wasn't enough for demand and soon demand will not be enough for supply!

Timing is everything.

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Steven J Kirk
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 - posted November 24, 2015 12:21 PM      Profile for Steven J Kirk   Email Steven J Kirk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As others have already said I believe this is someone at Fox/Disney/Lucasfilm with instructions to bid what ever it costs to pull 16mm prints from the market. Remember that whilst Derann's super 8 prints were official and approved, the 16mm prints were surely in film libraries and only ever for rental and not intended for private hands. That is my thought...

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Oemer Yalinkilic
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 - posted November 24, 2015 01:00 PM      Profile for Oemer Yalinkilic   Author's Homepage   Email Oemer Yalinkilic   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I understand if someone pay lot of money for a rare and nice print like this auction, but so much money for this faded Star Wars print is stupid.
I paid also lot of money for my 35mm IB print of Star Wars but it is a nice print and it is worth every cent.

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Gerald Santana
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Looking at the bidders history, it is highly unlikely that it was someone from Disney, who now owns all of the Star Wars product. In the last couple of weeks, the bidder won other films and a DVD.

Either way, if it comes back on the market whether it is returned or a different copy, the total amounts to that a used car. But for that price, I also want R2-D2 as the holographic projector to screen the whole thing! Otherwise, I'm with Paul on this one...If I were that person (or a huge fan of the movie) I would buy the new LPP print.

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Mike Newell
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 - posted November 24, 2015 03:21 PM      Profile for Mike Newell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
$ 3701 for a faded pink print! There is saying about a fool and their money being easily parted. Maybe someone thinks they have a unique piece of memorabilia [Razz] [Razz] [Razz]

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted November 24, 2015 07:39 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester   Email Adrian Winchester   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Forum members are assuming that the seller is nuts, but the bidding reveals that FOUR people were willing to pay at least $3050!

But I'm no less amazed by Graham's words regarding his faded print: "my conscience would never allow me to sell it, when prints get like that its better to dump it." If I had a print, I'd be attempting to cash in without a second thought, and although a potential return of over $3,000 would be the incentive, I'd also argue that my conscience wouldn't allow me to dump a print that people would be so desperate to own!

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Bill Phelps
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I think the auction started at $19.99.

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Graham Ritchie
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 - posted November 24, 2015 09:42 PM      Profile for Graham Ritchie   Email Graham Ritchie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Each to there own Adrian

I for one would never any "cash in" on a film I consider total rubbish, to me that would be dishonest...its just not me.

If people want to sell that kind of stuff that's up to them. but I do wonder if that person who bought it really does know anything about "film" or just gone along with all this present short lived "Star Wars" hype [Roll Eyes]

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Steve Klare
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 - posted November 24, 2015 10:05 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In all fairness Graham,

The seller (Forum Member and a nice guy, BTW) made no effort to misrepresent the print. The reason we know what it was like is because he told us.

I'll give you odds he had no idea it would turn out the way it did. He started out with 20 bucks plus shipping and probably would have been happy to get a hundred. It just turned into a winning lottery ticket!

We laugh here at E-bay sellers with some dirt common print seeking thousands: trust me, this seller knows his stuff, and had no such ideas.

There were also over 50 bids here. It means at least two people were absolutely desperate for this print. That's the perfect storm if you're an E-bay seller. You can't make it happen, and you actually can't stop it either.

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Graham Ritchie
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 - posted November 25, 2015 02:11 AM      Profile for Graham Ritchie   Email Graham Ritchie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I guess the e-bay world is something I am not used to. I must be the odd ball around here as I have never bought or sold on e-bay [Smile]

I have sold films in the past at a certain price but usually insist not to send me any money until they are fully satisfied with the film, if not just send it back.

Without doubt the seller of this film has done very well out of it and good on him. The reply to Adrian above that I would dump mine rather than sell it, is that if I sold it for say $10 and the buyer then re-sold it for $3000 I would not be a happy about it, simply because someone in my view in the end has been ripped of a sub-standard print, and not because I missed out on the $3000 dollars.

Some one said to me of late that "Star Wars" fans would pay big money for those Super 8 films I gave to a museum...to bad I thought that's where they are staying [Smile]

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Steve Klare
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What's kind of funny to me is imagining this print that has now cost as much as a couple of cars I've owned going out economy shipping!

Let's hope between the two parties it's really traveling with a tracking number, insurance and a signature on a clipboard.

-but then again the seller was initially willing to let it go for as little as $19.99, so economy shipping sounds fine in that equation.

As I said: I know the seller. I've never bought from him on eBay, but cash in my hand has become cash in his hand: live, in person. I like the guy and trust his motivations (probably wants to buy some films...)

We don't know the buyer(s) and what their motivations are. It's possible they are now saying "I got this original edition Star Wars for under 4,000 bucks. I'm going to do (X) with it and retire/buy a car/get a wife/dump my wife!"

-If this is true either they know something we don't know or it's possible they've ripped themselves off!

-or just maybe in a few months a Lamborghini Countach will be coasting down the Pacific Coast Highway with a license plate that says "STRWRS16" or "3770HAHA"!

(Or maybe they just really, really wanted the film.)

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Lee Mannering
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 - posted November 25, 2015 05:25 AM      Profile for Lee Mannering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There must come a point where these out faded or gone pink films are binable? I'm guessing this particular film is destined for a Lucas collector perhaps or someone who wants to remove prints from circulation involved in the industry which has been known.

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Steve Klare
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 - posted November 25, 2015 05:31 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'd say what saves this one is the title. I have utter crap prints that I hold on to because I really like the movie and any print is (barely) better than none.

I won't dismiss the idea of Lucasfilm wanting to scrap a print, but then again who was the second bidder?

Even if they were just diddling George Lucas they faced the possibility of being hung to buy the thing if they "won".

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Mike Newell
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Responsibility does not rest with the seller. He has been honest in his description and it has been the silly buyers who have inflated the end price way above what would have been expected.

I cant see the end sale price being paid by someone who just wants to project the movie unless they are using a guide dog to thread their projector or a totally forgiving of any faults and shortcomings the film may have.

Three possible scenarios are:-

The buyer really thinks he has a unique piece of memorabilia which he will be rushing off to his bank fault or movie memorabilia auction house for evaluation.

Next, print is a original 1977 version before Lucas revised edited/played with it. Maybe they think they can produce DVDs to sell to die hard Star Wars fans. That is before Disney or Lucasfilms catch up with them and fine them millions or jail them
for their piracy.

Finally, maybe they plan to sell it on some one who may cut it up frame by frame and have say four frames attached to a suitably glossy forgettable collectable tacky piece of fan experience memorabilia at $20.00 to $50.00 a pop. See Ebay for similar tasteless examples.

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Steve Klare
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 - posted November 25, 2015 08:18 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There's a 16mm Empire Strikes Back up right now, it'll be interesting to see what happens to that.

How about this:

Bob lives in Secaucus, New Jersey with his Mom. He has a lot of Sci-Fi stuff he's accumulated to fill the emotional void left when his Fiancé Julie dumped him for a guy who is entirely without memorabilia. He got a new credit card in the mail last week with a $5,000 credit limit. He saw this film and had to have it. The Klingon Bat'leth signed by Michael Dorn didn't make him feel better, but he knows for certain this will do it.

George is George Lucas. He looked at the auction and reached the conclusion this faded print is no threat to his franchise and instead spent $25,000 on a first season "Star Trek the Next Generation" command uniform. He'll spend another $40,000 for Madame Tussaud's to make a wax Patrick Stewart to go in the uniform. The result will go in a secret room in his warehouse only HE knows about!

Harrison is Harrison Ford. He thinks Bob is George and keeps chipping the bids up 50 bucks at a time just for laughs. At $3770 he grew bored and decided to take a walk on the beach instead. The next time he sees George he'll give him a big grin and George will have no idea what it's all about.

Bob won the film. It won't fill his emotional void, he'll have to take a second job pushing a mop around Denny's to pay for it, and his Mom is really angry at him.

-but last night an original BattleStar Galactica costume popped up on EBay in HIS SIZE.

-Surely THIS will make everything right!

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Mike Newell
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 - posted November 25, 2015 09:26 AM      Profile for Mike Newell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Maybe it is the estate of Alec Guinness. His views on Star Wars are well documented. One print less only one billion to go. The force is strong on this one young Luke!!

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Graham Ritchie
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I have an old 16mm print of "Empire Strikes Back" mmmmm [Roll Eyes] anyway I wont go there [Wink] [Smile] ...I will keep quiet [Wink]

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted November 25, 2015 12:23 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage   Email Osi Osgood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
COOLSVILLE on that 35MM print.

If I didn't truly love those two scope prints of STAR WARS that I have, I'd be making boo koo bucks right now, but I can't part with them.

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Mathew James
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What interests me is the only 'private' bidder in the whole list (u***u), who came in right at the last, but was beat out by winner, barely.
Someone with an ebay knowledge to bid as such, and also privately is someone who knows ebay more than the casual user.
I am interested in why this potential buyer wanted the print at such a cost.
Most people with some money invested into something like this do not wish to watch it diminish further on a reel. my guess is they will flip it during the 'hype' which i don't believe has peaked yet.
The time-stamps on the bid history suggests that the winners final bid was put in 2 hours before u***u's bid. This means that the winner had it set to automatically bid, at who knows what ceiling?! Craziness.
Cheers,
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Winbert Hutahaean
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There is another one now..let's see if the outbid bidders will buy this or were just involved ina bid war:

http://m.ebay.com/itm/STAR-WARS-1977-George-Lucas-Nice-16mm-Cinemascope-print-/201473047027?nav=SEARCH

[ November 25, 2015, 09:21 PM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]

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Mathew James
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Here's the link to two films worth watching. One star wars, one empire strikes back. http://www.ebay.com/sch/c-max/m.html?item=201473047027&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

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Clinton Hunt
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I see these are 16mm films making huge amounts of money for the sellers but it makes me wonder if my super8mm prints of these will increase in value?
I have all three of the original ones in either 2 x 400ft sets or just a 400ft.
From memory I probably paid about NZ$20 each a few years ago.

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Jason Gronn
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Clinton, I could not see these digest prints increasing in value to much but the feature length Derann prints on super8 well that's another story.
All l know is that lm that desperate for a super8 feature print of Return of the Jedi l will pay just about any amount if one should ever show up.

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