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Topic: What Films did you show last night?
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted December 23, 2009 01:58 PM
Micheal ...
AGFA, in general, (I'm speaking of the modern AGFA prints), will have the marking "2S" on it. Nothing much more than that. Although L.P.P. has also had nice saturation of color, I have never seen a "bluish" AGFA print. There are lush colors and a warm or almost brown to the color, (note: I'm not speaking of the Kodak SP browning, which is a sign of color fade). The colors tend to be much truer to what you would find on the original release.
A good example is the screenshot (thanX once again Gian!), when Jessica Rabbit is sitting on Eddie Valiants lap. Note the facial tones, not just on Valiant, but especially on the animated Jessica. Absolutely perfect and spot on.
One of the complaints that I have had with the L.P.P., (note that when I say this, I'm thankful to have any good color, Agfa or L.P.P.) is you can end up with spot on color, but is has tended to have the bluish quality.
This is nothing new with L.P.P. I've noticed this all the way down the line to my first Derann L.P.P. that I owned, (Who Dares Wins 600ft). There has always been a less than perfect color spectrum to it.
When Derann used the Agfa 2S stock, they're colors were never better. I know that some of it could be film labs and the chemicals therein, but for Agfa to not have that quality and be consistently brilliant is no accident.
My advice is, if you can, verify whether the print is an Agfa print of the feature. If not, L.P.P. will be fine, but the Agfa Derann's are to be truly cherished.
I hope dat helps, Micheal
tonights screening ...
A "classicals"
What's Opera Doc (warners version of "classical" ...
Kill da wabbit, Kill da Wabbit, KILL DA WABBIT!
and, for the feature?
Fantasia 2 (Yummy!)
-------------------- "All these moments will be lost in time, just like ... tears, in the rain. "
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted December 24, 2009 01:44 PM
I really have to say that it is a matter of L.P.P. film stock in general.
This is because I have L.P.P. prints not just from Derann but many other sources. I have vintage Red Fox prints, (note: films that Derann did not re-release from Red Fox negatives), and they are L.P.P. and they have a bluish cast.
The same for a couple other releases. Unless I'm mistaken, "The Little Match Girl" (Columbia Pictures) was also released on L.P.P., and this print has a bluish cast ...
... final exhibit of proof is the Blackhawk films re-issue of the First Flip the Frog cartoon, "Fiddlesticks", which is on L.P.P. filmstock and yes, you guess it ... bluish cast to the color.
Many different sources, one film stock, continued history of Bluish color.
Also, Red Fox prints from the same early 80's period, on AGFA color stock, do not have the bluish cast.
So, though L.P.P. is certianly better than pinky eastman (by a LONG SHOT!), it is not on the near perfection part of AGFA.
Winberts point isn't without merit. Some of it could be those in the film lab, but when you see the same bluish cast to the product of MANY different Super 8 companies, the chance that they ALL came from the same UK labs, (especially back in the 1980's), it goes beyond the chance of just one film lab or chemical problems.
By the way, Peter, great screenshots from that rare color Max Fleischer film! Its a sadness that in large part, Fleischer "Color Classic" have a tendecy of always having faded color in nearly all prints, especially on Super 8. I finally ran into a good color print of "Cobweb Hotel", but it still has a faded look, though on L.P.P. stock.
I would love to find a nice color copy of "Fresh Vegetable Mystery" but from what I understand, they all have a faded color look, no matter what the stock.
-------------------- "All these moments will be lost in time, just like ... tears, in the rain. "
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